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30th August 2013: Isn't sarcasm a wonderful thing?
25th August 2013: Operation Yewtree has turned British justice on its head
13th August 2013: Black is white. Fact. End of.
11th August 2013: Why 'human rights' is nothing of the sort ...
11th August 2013: Electric cars, not as green as they're painted?
6th August 2013: How the British nation treats its friends ...
8th July 2013: The BBC biased? How can that be? They're so NICE!
26th June 2013: Think this country is a bastion of freedom and justice and a shining model for the world? Think again.
18th June 2013: Wrinklies unite, you have nothing to lose but your walking frames!
17th June 2013: is the end finally approaching for this evil woman?
31st May 2013: Now it's official - the BBC really is a left-wing propaganda machine
31st May 2013: Those evil bastards are at it again. Yes, you've guessed it - social services!
27th May 2013: Well-known TV presenter talks sense. No good will come of it.
24th May 2013: British justice is best? Only for the very poor, apparently ...
17th May 2013: Some actual FACTS about climate change (for a change) from actual scientists ...
10th May 2013: An article about that poison gas, carbon dioxide, and other scientific facts (not) ...
10th May 2013: We need to see past the sex and look at the crimes: is justice being served?
8th May 2013: So, who would you trust to treat your haemorrhoids, Theresa May?
8th May 2013: Why should citizens in the 21st Century fear the law so much?
30th April 2013: What the GOS says today, the rest of the world realises tomorrow ...
30th April 2013: You couldn't make it up, could you? Luckily you don't need to ...
29th April 2013: a vote for NONE OF THE ABOVE, because THE ABOVE are crap ...
28th April 2013: what goes around, comes around?
19th April 2013: everyone's a victim these days ...
10th April 2013: Thatcher is dead; long live Thatcher!
8th April 2013: Poor people are such a nuisance. Just give them loads of money and they'll go away ...
26th March 2013: Censorship is alive and well and coming for you ...
25th March 2013: Just do your job properly, is that too much to ask?
25th March 2013: So, what do you think caused your heterosexuality?
20th March 2013: Feminists - puritans, hypocrites or just plain stupid?
18th March 2013: How Nazi Germany paved the way for modern governance?
13th March 2013: Time we all grew up and lived in the real world ...
12th March 2013: Hindenburg crash mystery solved? - don't you believe it!
6th March 2013: Is this the real GOS?
5th March 2013: All that's wrong with taxes
25th February 2013: The self-seeking MP who is trying to bring Britain down ...
24th February 2013: Why can't newspapers just tell the truth?
22nd February 2013: Trial by jury - a radical proposal
13th February 2013: A little verse for two very old people ...
6th February 2013: It's not us after all, it's worms
6th February 2013: Now here's a powerful argument FOR gay marriage ...
4th February 2013: There's no such thing as equality because we're not all the same ...
28th January 2013: Global Warming isn't over - IT'S HIDING!
25th January 2013: Global Warmers: mad, bad and dangerous to know ...
25th January 2013: Bullying ego-trippers, not animal lovers ...
19th January 2013: We STILL haven't got our heads straight about gays ...
16th January 2013: Bullying ego-trippers, not animal lovers ...
11th January 2013: What it's like being English ...
7th January 2013: Bleat, bleat, if it saves the life of just one child ...
7th January 2013: How best to put it? 'Up yours, Argentina'?
7th January 2013: Chucking even more of other people's money around ...
6th January 2013: Chucking other people's money around ...
30th December 2012: The BBC is just crap, basically ...
30th December 2012: We mourn the passing of a genuine Grumpy Old Sod ...
30th December 2012: How an official body sets out to ruin Christmas ...
16th December 2012: Why should we pardon Alan Turing when he did nothing wrong?
15th December 2012: When will social workers face up to their REAL responsibility?
15th December 2012: Unfair trading by a firm in Bognor Regis ...
14th December 2012: Now the company that sells your data is pretending to act as watchdog ...
7th December 2012: There's a war between cars and bikes, apparently, and  most of us never noticed!
26th November 2012: The bottom line - social workers are just plain stupid ...
20th November 2012: So, David Eyke was right all along, then?
15th November 2012: MPs don't mind dishing it out, but when it's them in the firing line ...
14th November 2012: The BBC has a policy, it seems, about which truths it wants to tell ...
12th November 2012: Big Brother, coming to a school near you ...
9th November 2012: Yet another celebrity who thinks, like Jimmy Saville, that he can behave just as he likes because he's famous ...
5th November 2012: Whose roads are they, anyway? After all, we paid for them ...
7th May 2012: How politicians could end droughts at a stroke if they chose ...
6th May 2012: The BBC, still determined to keep us in a fog of ignorance ...
2nd May 2012: A sense of proportion lacking?
24th April 2012: Told you so, told you so, told you so ...
15th April 2012: Aah, sweet ickle polar bears in danger, aah ...
15th April 2012: An open letter to Anglian Water ...
30th March 2012: Now they want to cure us if we don't believe their lies ...
28th February 2012: Just how useful is a degree? Not very.
27th February 2012: ... so many ways to die ...
15th February 2012: DO go to Jamaica because you definitely WON'T get murdered with a machete. Ms Fox says so ...
31st January 2012: We don't make anything any more
27th January 2012: There's always a word for it, they say, and if there isn't we'll invent one
26th January 2012: Literary criticism on GOS? How posh!
12th December 2011: Plain speaking by a scientist about the global warming fraud
9th December 2011: Who trusts scientists? Apart from the BBC, of course?
7th December 2011: All in all, not a good week for British justice ...
9th November 2011: Well what d'you know, the law really IS a bit of an ass ...

 

 
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We're always pleased to receive feedback from our readers, and when they take the time and trouble to write at length, cogently and clearly as Karl Shah-Jenner did recently from Australia, we think it's only right to offer them a wider platform by posting their thoughts here – whether we agree with them or not!
 
So ...

 

 
In your latest post you suggest keeping women from the front lines and I agree totally (actually, we were just quoting someone else, and haven't really made up our Grumpy mind about it yet. Still, whatever ... GOS)
 
I served in the RAN (the Australian Navy, not sure how much longer it will remain Royal since we still have our damned communists in power here) and when women were first inducted many voiced concerns, not for fear that women wouldn't be able to perform the tasks but that they would hinder the males. Should old Barry take a shot to the knee, odds were each man would continue to perform his duty as needed to keep the ship afloat but were a woman to take that shot it was feared (rightly) that we males would surely do anything we could to protect or aid her, placing the woman ahead of the ship. Not an unreasonable concern given the fact we were expected to treat all women with reverence.
 
Of course the Israeli (and American) investigations into females in combat roles showed clearly they were not just as good as man but often superior in combat situations. This bit concerns me too. When a male was asked to 'kill target A' they would frequently pause if the target was discovered to be a woman. Similarly they would baulk if a woman or a child were potentially in harms way. This proved not the case for female combatants who would happily gun down anything in the way to take down the target. Of course that's what we'd expect of Israelis and Americans anyway, but there's no need to make things worse. Merciless killing machines are not really that good for society.
 
And on to the marriage thing: I've had a good long think about this and found my initial opposition reversed and I would share this with you if I may. First thing is that I fail to see how religion really should be considered - after all, I and many other godless heathens have been permitted to marry, and some religious organizations - the Buddhists come to mind - do not consider marriage anything to do with their faith, viewing it as a state issue. The Muslims do whatever they like so we shan't bother with them.
 
Children and procreation shouldn't really come into it either as the standard has been set - myself and my far too lovely wife and myself have no ankle biters and we never shall. Many of our friends are in the same boat and seem happy enough. No one told us part of the deal was that we must reproduce, and no one from the guvermint has been pounding on my door demanding we disband for failure to deliver.
 
Now I know our local twit politicians have been hurling their hands in the air shrilly proclaiming that were gay marriage permitted, the floodgates would open to the foulest of practices - polygamy. I did some reading up on this and found to my surprise that across the world in virtually all societies polygamy was the norm prior to the Christian missionary invasions. Even early Christians got in on the act though it's hard to confirm this as they rewrote the Bible so often back then. Some Jews and Islamists still seem to follow the practice as do quite a few Asians, although the Asian adoption of All Things Western has seen dual marriages frowned upon. Interestingly they also banned teeth blackening - worth reading up on that. The clever fellows handled tooth decay a lot better than we did in the west - they eliminated it !
 
What got me thinking was an email I received from a friend who discovered she had more of a thing for girls than for us sweaty males, and shacked up with one. She wrote: "I can't tell you how much sleep I lose worrying about the fact that if I died today, our children could be split up, the possibility that my biological daughter could be given to my estranged extended family, rather than remain with her 'non-biological' mother - who has raised her. Both of our children's birth certificates only have the biological mother's name on it - and we had to petition for that as it was to have no father listed. Our kids already have TWO loving parents, but my name and my partner's name are not on both of our children'?s birth certificates.
 
Recently our youngest child (my 'non-biological') went to emergency at the children's hospital to get staples in her head after she fell over. The nurses and doctors themselves were lovely and treated us like all the other families there. As we were sitting in triage, we were instructed that only one of us was to speak to the administration about our daughter - despite the fact that we witnessed several families come and go, and all were allowed to take both parents up to the administration desk.”
 
She continues ...
 
"All it comes down to is genetics. I was born female and so was the love of my life, which I have as much control over as you do the gender you were born. And for that reason we are legally seen as inferior. If I was born of colour or disabled for example, but a man, I would be able to marry my female partner. Is my love for my same-sex partner not the same as your love for your partner?"
 
In later discussions she explained her fear further. Had she for any reason taken ill or become indisposed and her child required parental intervention due to something at school - a medical emergency or some such - her 'partner' cannot be viewed as a parent. So, say their daughter is popped into hospital, mother number 2 will not be permitted to visit the child in those situations where some prissy nurse says 'sorry, only family are permitted'.
 
In this case they ARE the producers of progeny (unlike me and mine) yet they cannot be permitted to raise their children as they see fit, not under our laws. And I put myself in their shoes and thought about this - how would I feel if I were not granted access to my (mythical) child? I'd rip the place apart to get to them! She cannot. OK, one managed to have a child the normal way, the other took advantage of the benefits of medical science to achieve hers, but then I have seized the opportunities offered by medicine and received anti-venom when a sodding snake bit me - the alternative 'natural' way was to simply die. And my wife would have none of that. We take what we can.
 
And so I took the time to pen a contribution to the Powers That Be - it follows below. I hasten to add I am not an equalty nut job - I do not believe for one minute we are all equal, I opposed females in the military, and I agree with your observations - we have black-only places here, but heaven forbid anyone even think of a white-only place! But I do believe same-sex couples are being deprived because of a Christian doctrine that spread across the world, and it seems time to right the wrong.
 

 
”Dear Senate Legal and Constitutional Affairs Committee,
 
This is my submission to your inquiry into marriage equality. I fully endorse the submission made by Australian Marriage Equality in favour of the Marriage Equality Amendment Bill 2009.
 
I have over the years discovered quite a few of my friends are homosexual. Some of these people have gone to great lengths to disguise and hide this fact, and it has only been when they finally cracked and confessed their homosexuality that they have gone from being pretty miserable to leading a normal, happy and prosperous life. This is not to say all have been sad and lonely, but some have suffered greatly - and unfairly - for prejudice both perceived and real can make it unpleasant if not dangerous to be of an alternate sexual persuasion than the 'norm'.
 
We all know that hiding a lie can take an enormous toll on a person, and while sometimes shocked by discovering a persons sexuality differed from my own heterosexuality, I have been greatly heartened to see friends living happier, better lives.
 
It is completely natural to love people. It is completely understandable that two people who are in love would want to confirm their commitment to one another and to society at large. It follows that for heterosexuals the way to do this is to marry. Why should this bond not be extended to same-sex couples beyond tradition and any potential claim the church may have over marriage in general? The Church (Christian) does NOT own the concept of marriage, after all. Our laws permit non-religious people to marry. The Australian government recognises non-Australian marriages. It seems incongruous that a marital bond be accepted but only under certain conditions (that the couple be of differing sex).
 
To take a different tangent for a moment, what of intersexed people and their status in marriage - are they afforded the same union? To cite from the Wikipedia article on Intersexuality prevalence: 'According to the ISNA definition above, 1 percent of live births exhibit some degree of sexual ambiguity. Between 0.1% and 0.2% of live births are ambiguous enough to become the subject of specialist medical attention, including surgery to disguise their sexual ambiguity. According to Fausto-Sterling's definition of intersex, on the other hand, 1.7 percent of human births are intersex. She writes "While male and female stand on the extreme ends of a biological continuum, there are many bodies ... that evidently mix together anatomical components conventionally attributed to both males and females. The implications of my argument for a sexual continuum are profound. If nature really offers us more than two sexes, then it follows that our current notions of masculinity and femininity are cultural conceits ... modern surgical techniques help maintain the two-sex system. Today children who are born "either/or or neither/both" - a fairly common phenomenon - usually disappear from view because doctors "correct" them right away with surgery."'
 
In 2008 the Australian population was estimated at 21,500,000 - assuming the above is correct we can calculate there are roughly two hundred and fifteen thousand intersexed people in Australia.
 
An intersexed person is defined as having traits for both male and female - and could avoid proclusion from marriage on the semantic grounds that were a male to marry an intersexed person, they would be marrying a 'part' female. Likewise, a female marrying an intersexed individual would be marrying a 'part' male. But should the law be biased against homosexual marriage the offensive situation could occur that the male marrying the intersexed person could be denied on the grounds that the intersexed individual were 'part' male.
 
I should dearly hope that our society will never stoop so low as to disenfranchise or enshrine in law the bigoted and abhorrent discrimination of those with genetic differences, or if I were to be offensive, genetic malformations.
 
Furthermore, if we accept that most marriages transpire without medical intervention or examination (and I assume that to be the case!) then of the approximately 215,000 intersexed people, I can guess that a large number may be married at some point in their lives. Would these people be denied marriage to the one they love on the ground of an accident of birth?
 
If these people are not, and they may arguably be in what is effectively a same-sex marriage, why then would distinctly same-sex individuals be discriminated against and denied marriage?
 
Now if the reader chose to presume a mild level of ambiguity is inconsequential to this submission then I would point out the 0.1% statistic stating the ambiguity of the intersexed individual is so great as to warrant surgical intervention (from above) - this would mean some 21,500 Australian people could be defined as being either/or both male or female. To me this suggests a precedent has already been set regarding same-sex marriage. It already exists in Australia.
 
Can we PLEASE extend the acceptance of same-sex marriage and the formality that follows to identifiably same-sex couples?
 
Back to a more personal note. I want to say among those I count as my friends stand a number of homosexuals, many of whom are in long term, loving relationships. This leads me to think of my own long term marriage (approaching 20 years with my best friend, my wife). From time to time I contemplate as one may do, what life would be like without her, and I count each day with her as a blessing. When I put myself in the shoes of my homosexual friends in relationships I am brought to tears by the thought of what could be were we in their place. My own family could wrest control of the assets from my wife. She could be left with nothing. Cherished articles and memorabilia could fall out of her possession even though we gathered them together. We are childless, but I am horrified beyond words at what could be for those homosexual couples with children should one of them pass away.
 
Our society carries on about 'tolerance'. To be honest - I am fed up to the back teeth with tolerance. You know what I'd like to see? - consideration, courtesy and respect. If people were simply to respect those about them we'd have no need for tolerance! I would have no need to 'tolerate' the obese person standing in the doorway at a shopping center chatting endlessly with their obese friend making it impossible for anyone to pass in or out if they had some courtesy and exhibited some respect for those around them.
 
It seems that homosexuals are 'tolerated' by our society. It would go a long way to making Australia a better place were we to rightfully be considerate of them and grant them the access to marriage and the responsibilities and privileges that go to any differing sex couples who choose to state formally their commitment to one another under the union we know as marriage.
 
In summation I want to strongly stress the situation with intersexed persons as being a standing precedent for same sex marriages. I must also stress that religion has no authority over marriage, the precedent being set that non-believers can lawfully marry.
 
Dear reader, please consider the above fully and with an open heart. I love my friends dearly and hope that the Australian Government can see it's way to employ a degree of empathy in extending the right of marriage to same sex, homosexual couples as soon as possible.
 
There is no benefit to denying homosexuals access to marriage, nor is there a loss in granting them access to marriage. Please, grant equality to all Australians.

 

 
On reading further I've since discovered there are quite a few other situations where viewing gender as either/or is actually anomalous - chimeras, creatures which are formed by the amalgamation of two zygotes who may express separate parts of their bodies as separate entities - all marmosets are apparently chimeras, and Mr D.Bowie with his different coloured eyes is an example of the chimera – see this Wikipedia article. This intersexuality may explain all those childless couples of yesteryear, kept in the dark by doctors who knew little or who chose not to explain to a given couple that try as they might they cannot have kids as they were not what they thought they were. Imagine the stigma had Myrtle suddenly discovered she was actually a Kevin!
 
Then there are those individuals who are not intersexed but nonetheless ambiguous - they look male, they have the functional dangly bits, everything about them screams MALE - yet on being genetically tested they turn out to be female! Same same for women. And so it comes down to what makes a male a male, or a female a female (or Uncle Arthur a flopsy)? It seems there's a sliding scale between what makes the two genders and a fair degree of confusion in the middle. And who's to say whether two nancies ARE nancies or if they're not actually opposite ends of the gender scale?
 
Myself I cannot comprehend being attracted to a male although I can understand female-female attraction better – gosh, women are lovely!
 

 
The GOS says: I'm not at all sure Karl is right about the chimera, especially the bit about David Bowie.
 
In other respects, though, he makes a powerful argument in favour of gay marriage and I have to admit to being somewhat swayed.
 
If anyone wants to pitch in and give a counter-argument, get in touch. If it's publishable, I'll publish it (by which I mean that swearing and sarcasm are fine, but blind prejudice, unprovoked abuse, illogicality and rotten grammar are not!).

 

 
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